Oscar Award winning film-maker Shekhar Kapur asks Sadhguru about the nature of creation and creator, and moving towards the Ultimate.
Shekhar Kapur: Sadhguru, what is the Ultimate?
Sadhguru: If you look around here, there is mud, stones, trees, and plants–this is creation. From the same soil, one tree throws out wonderful, and fragrant flowers, from the same soil, a mango tree will throw out mangoes, from the same soil, you have come and you make movies, I have come, and I am a Guru. So, there is something here which can make this mud into a tree, into a fruit, into a film-maker, into a Guru, and into a billion other things. There is something within you which can transform a rice grain or a banana, or a piece of bread into a human being. This is the ultimate source of creation. My work as a Guru is just to give you a taste of that Ultimate, so that your life goes into a tizzy, you go crazy, and you want to go for it. You had a taste; now you can’t stop.
Shekhar Kapur: So your work is to drive people mad
Sadhguru: Yes. Because if people sleep through their life in the name of comfort and security, they are wasting their life. They must go all the way. This is not my desire–it is their desire also. Today you have a desire to fulfil one thing. If that happens, you want the next one and the next one and the next one. There is something within you which doesn’t like boundaries. There is something within you which is longing for the Ultimate–always. So, this is not my idea or philosophy that you should seek the Ultimate. You are anyway seeking the Ultimate in unconscious ways. But if you seek in unconscious ways, you will always remain frustrated and the chances of finding it are remote. It is better to seek what you want in a conscious, and focused way.
Shekhar Kapur: So, what is the Ultimate? I am looking for words
Sadhguru: Whatever we look at, we can only look at it the way you understand it right now. If I say something which is not in your understanding, I’d be compelling you to believe me or disbelieve me. I’ll never do that to anyone. So let us look at it this way; right now, what you call as ‘myself,’ you actually gathered over a period of time?
Shekhar Kapur: Yeah.
Sadhguru: In terms of your mind, it is a huge heap of impressions. In terms of your body, it is a heap of food that you have eaten. So, you gathered this. What you gather can be yours; can it ever be you?
Shekar Kapur: No. Then what is the ‘you’ beyond ‘yours?’
Sadhguru: So you are existing here without even knowing ‘what is me.’ This ‘me’ is not a simple me. This ‘me’ is the Ultimate. This same ‘me’ which can make a banana into a human being also created the whole cosmic scape. It is not a different ‘me.’ So, the choice is just this–either you can exist here just as a piece of creation or you can exist here as the very Creator himself.
Sadhguru is a yogi, mystic and founder of Isha Foundation, a non-profit organisation dedicated to addressing all aspects of human wellbeing through yoga programmes, and social and environmental initiatives.